8. New Status: Certified - Quality Assurance Testing: PASS - Test all other cars in set for similar improvements: PASS - Test in 70% rain: PASS - Test another track with representative car for similar improvements: PASS 7. Problem: Sharp increase-then-decrease over bumps feels like skipping over bumps Theory 1: Increase Force Exponent to spread out forces over wider area so 'sharp knife edge' forces 'spread out' Experiment: FFB steer force exponent="0.75149", 1.0+>, 1.49702+<, 1.24851+<, 1.124255+> (1), 1.1863825+<, 1.15531875... 1. At this point, I still feel the issue and I'm not sure this parameter can solve it; maybe it's Grip Weight related Result: Initial adjustments were a big improvement but didn't help the problem as much as I was hoping. Try Theory 2... Theory 2: Decrease Grip Weight to increase wheel weight from steering forces to reduce wheel weight loss FFB steer force grip weight="0.32362", 0.31362+ Result: Didn't give any improvement and I don't think it will improve much. 6. Problem: Steering too heavy Theory: Decrease Steer Force Output Max which will reduce the strength of forces from the steering rack. Experiment: FFB steer force output max="0.72969", 0.71969+<, 0.69969+<, 0.65969+<, 0.57969+<, 0.41969+>, 0.49969... Result: Much better Testing Conditions: Mod: DTM Classics 1.11 Track: Nurburgring GP 2001 Conditions: Dry, Ambient 20C, Track 22C Car: Mercedes Benz 190e Evo2, Medium Tires, 15deg Wheel Lock, In-game FFB Strength 100% SimXperience AccuForce V1, SimCommander 4 v4.1.0.0, Reset to Defaults, Wheel Mode High, 100% Overall Intensity, Game Force Feedback Strength 95%, Enable Dynamic Force Boost: Enabled, Degrees of Rotation 540, Engine RPM Disabled No Vsync, Windowed Mode Started from FiaGT_2005_Mod_Testing_PLR.txt //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// // // Step #6 onward was rebased on FiaGT_2005_Mod_Testing_PLR.txt as of June 6, 2018 // //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// 5. Quality Control: - Race Weekend: Zolder 2005, AI 108, finished 2nd, avg lap times high 1:36s - Championship: - Zolder 2005, AI 108, Q3, P1 4. Experiment: Check increased Grip Weight feeling; I just want to try it out and see how it feels because I've managed to tune the whole car without Grip Weight and Grip Factor and it feels weird, like I left something out. FFB steer force grip weight="0.30720", 0.40720+<, 0.3572+<, 0.3322+<, 0.3197+<, 0.31345+= - 0.40720: Better but too much; Had more expressive wheel weight loss in cornering due to grip loss which is a good thing, just a little too much of it. - 0.3572: Better, maybe just a little less - 0.3322: Nice, just a bit lesss - 0.3197: ~ - 0.31345: Feel about right 3. Problem: Forces way too strong; Not clipping, it just feels overly strong for street-style cars; Theory: Try lowering Output Max, maybe FFB steer force output max="1.80000", 0.9+>, 1.35+= - 1.8: Too strong for these types of cars; Not clipping but too strong; - 0.9: Better but now too weak; - 1.35: About right, not sure if up or down so will leave it for now. 2. Problem: Centering spring feel; Tight/somewhat jittery wheel around center on straights; Grip levels not coming through in corners. Theory: Increase Force Exponent to expand force range so that it's not as compressed around center. This should reduce centering spring feel, reduce tight/jittery center, and help reveal grip levels by avoiding compressing it all around center. FFB steer force exponent="0.84649", 0.94649+>, 1.14649+>, 1.54649+<, 1.34649+<, 1.24649+<, 1.19649+<, 1.17149+<, 1.15899+<, 1.15274+>, 1.155865+<, 1.1543025->, 1.15508375... - 0.94649: Improved but similar symptoms as above. - 1.14649: Still feel centering spring; Tightness/jitter around center solved; Grip levels improved but could be better; - 1.54649: Still feel centering spring, maybe can't solve it here; Tightness/jittery around center gone; Grip levels improved again. ^ Remember: Not centering spring if detail still present in high speed corners - 1.34649: Improved but similar symptoms as above. - 1.24649: Now just trying to keep this as low as possible to retain detail but avoid centering spring and tightness/jittery around center on straights; - 1.19649: ~ - 1.17149: ~ - 1.15899: ~ - 1.15274: Possible centering spring returning; Maybe do one more step, then move on to Grip Weight to see if it can help reveal grip levels while cornering... - 1.155865: Tiny looseness/sway around center; - 1.1543025: Felt like I lost some detail; - 1.15508375: Can't feel anything else wrong with it; Still way too strong forces, though. ... 1. Initial observations: - How does FFB feel? Centering spring feel; Tight/somewhat jittery wheel around center on straights; Grip levels not coming through in corners; Road feel actually okay. - Do all/most cars share similar FFB experience? Yes - Other issues: Tire heating/cooling problems, inability to keep tires warm; 0. Testing Conditions: Date Started: 2018-02-16 Car Set / Mod: DTM Classics Track: Zolder 2005 Conditions: Dry, Ambient 20C, Track 22C Car / Setup: BMW M3 e30, Medium Tires, 18deg Wheel Lock Wheel: SimXperience AccuForce V1, SimCommander 4 v4.1.0.0, Reset to Defaults, Wheel Mode High, 60% Overall Intensity, Degrees of Rotation 540, Engine RPM Disabled Graphics: Vsync 60FPS Initial FFB Setup: HQ_Cars_and_Tracks_Certified_PLR.txt Mod-specific AI Tuning: - Landed on AI 110 eventually Zolder 2005 and 2001 Nurburgring GP but at Sashenring it felt a little too much ################################################################################ # # STARTING OVER WITH LATEST METHODOLOGY # ################################################################################ 24. Get some 'wheel goes light when losing grip' back ^ DTM Classics 1992, BMW M3 E30, Zolder 2005 *** CAUTION: Step #23 was acceptable for car control and handling. If I find I'm losing control after this step then I should probably just go back and stop adjusting stuff. Also, I'm testing this on DTM Classic Mod BMW e30 and not the HQ Ferrari F575. So it's getting a little dicy at this point. FFB steer force grip weight="0.3072", >>>Inverse Search>>> 0.30721, 0.30723, 0.30727, 0.30735, 0.30751, 0.30783 >>>(barely feeling it; still need more; possibility this setting isn't for what I'm looking for...)<<<, 0.30847, 0.30975, 0.31231, 0.31743, 0.32767, 0.34815 >>>sort of too much, but want to try more>>>, 0.38911, 0.47103, >>>0.34815 vs 0.47103>>> 0.40959, 0.44031, 0.42495 ^ Continued from Step #22.1